032: Paige Greene

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Please welcome Paige Greene to the Thriving Beyond Belief podcast today! I had the pleasure of meeting Paige through our pastor, Matt Chandler, a couple of years ago after she wrote an incredible article titled I Regret my Divorce”. Paige gets vulnerable and real with us about divorce on the podcast today. She discusses what can come from unbiblical divorce in a refreshing way that we in the Christian community truly need to hear.

Paige currently works for Lifeway, as she helps with their events and is able to minister to women all over the country. She is also pursuing her Master’s degree in counseling.

Paige defines thriving as walking with the Lord every day and laying down all that distracts in that time. (She is an extrovert and a communicator, so the phone has to stay away in that time- I can so relate to that!) She believes it is abiding in the Lord in the present. For so long, she focused on what her future would look like instead of being thankful for today (how many of us can relate to that?), and now sees that joy comes from gratitude to the Lord for the day we have been given.

Paige feels a burden to share her story, especially with young marriages, in this culture today. She discusses how divorce did not solve the problems she thought it would, and even prays that one day she will be able to be reconciled with her ex-husband. She gives Biblical wisdom to the weight divorce truly brings.

Remember that the enemy is out to steal, kill, and destroy. He wants our culture to believe that the minute you are unhappy in your marriage, divorce is the only solution that can bring freedom. Paige shares that once the papers have been signed, the promise of “freedom” doesn’t hold up to what you thought it would be. She emphasizes so wonderfully that divorce is far more serious to God than our culture makes it seem.

Paige shares her heart in the most beautiful way about how to truly seek the Lord if you are thinking divorce is your only option. She discusses her own story and how when she came to the conclusion that divorce was the only avenue to bring freedom and happiness for her, that she was completely self-focused. She shares that we must “feed our spirit, not our flesh”. She encourages us to understand that God is a God of kept covenants. The thought of divorce doesn’t please Him because He knows the consequences of it; He knows what broken covenants lead to.

We discuss going to the Lord and asking Him how He feels about the possibility of divorce. If you seek His will and His word, you will not miss His answer to you. Remember that if you don’t feel a certain way, you must stand up in obedience. If you don’t feel that marriage should ever be difficult or sacrificial, you must let your obedience take over. Don’t let your feelings dictate how you treat your spouse or your marriage. Some days may be truly hard, but God will bless your commitment.

Paige ends with some amazing encouragement. For those that have gotten divorced, she reminds us that God hates divorce, but loves you. The two are not mutually exclusive. He will always take care of His children, and Paige saw it first hand when walking through her own divorce. BECAUSE He loves you, He hates divorce. She advises to read through Psalm 51 and wait for the Lord.

I am so thankful to know Paige, and I hope this talk today is eye-opening, encouraging, and makes you see the Lord in a new way.

Grab a cup of coffee and come join us today on Thriving Beyond Belief!


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Instagram – @paigegreene4

Twitter – @paigegreene and @LifeWayWomen

Facebook – Paige Clayton Greene

Websites – www.lifeway.com/women


031: Mike Foster

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I am so excited to have Mike Foster with us on the podcast today! I believe that it is important for this mainly woman-centric podcast to have some male perspective on life, marriage, and how to thrive. So let’s welcome his wonderful perspective today!

Mike is an author, speaker, and therapist. He has his own podcast, “Fun Therapy”, which dives into people’s stories, but with a smile. Each episode is somewhat of a therapy session with different individuals. Mike, along with his wife, Jennifer, published “Five Dates” this year. “Five Dates” is a workbook for couples to help work through connection in marriage. Mike also has a book, “People of the Second Chance”, which is a powerful book on his own life journey.

We begin the podcast diving into what Mike does and how what he does now was shaped by his story and the things that happened in his past. Because of his own personal struggles in inadequacy, shame, fear, and perfectionism, Mike now wants to walk with others through those feelings and help them work towards freedom. He talks about wanting to help people see God’s goodness in the midst of their storm.

Mike defines thriving as dwelling in being exactly who God has created us to be. Often we walk around trying to be a “version” of ourselves, which inevitably leads to failure and exhaustion. Instead, the Lord wants us to align our lives with the gifts, strengths, and visions He has created us to have. Mike also believes we cannot truly be thriving without being in true, vulnerable community with others. We are created to be in community.

Mike shares some wonderful perspective on the roles men play in life and marriage, and how the world can twist what God’s calling on men’s lives truly is supposed to be. He speaks on the prejudices our culture puts on men, the distorted picture of masculinity today in our western society, and says what “being a man” is versus what God’s word says men are. The core needs of men and women are the same, but the avenue to get to those core needs is different.

We even discuss on the podcast a healthy view of sex within the bonds of marriage and what true intimacy is. He discusses that this is an area of marriage that needs to be stewarded and that it is an issue that affects every area of marriage.

We end with how wives can help husbands in their roles as men in the relationship. We discuss how wives can be encouragers, affirmers, and a safe place for their husbands to come and tap into their feelings. Mike wisely shares that couples need to first work on togetherness before they can ever think about discussing the larger issues within their relationship.

You will not want to miss this podcast. Grab a cup of coffee and come join us today on Thriving Beyond Belief!


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Twitter- @mikefoster







030: Kait Warman

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It is such a treat to have Kait Warman on Thriving Beyond Belief with me today!

Kait is a such a joy and exudes such positivity and light in all that she does. We discuss her story and how even having the “dream job” of being a senior buyer in New York for a high end company (her life truly was a scene from “Devil Wears Prada”!) did not bring what only Jesus can bring to our lives- true and ultimate fulfillment.

Kait now lives in beautiful Santa Monica, where she is a professional blogger, is starting a social media company that focuses on creative content, has a truth talk series on YouTube, and is about to begin a podcast solely focused on Christian Dating called The Heart of Dating and can be found on iTunes and stitcher at also www.heartofdating.com and @heartofdating on instagram!

The greatest thing about our time talking together is how openly we talk about all of the true and vulnerable issues that are difficult for women to discuss today. We talk about everything from what our identity should truly lie in, comparison to others, self-care, heartbreak, and even body positivity.

We take some time to expand on what it means to “thrive”. Kate believes that we are thriving when we are functioning wholly and fully in all areas- mind, body, and spirit. To be whole in those areas is to bring Jesus into the details of our lives! We learn to take care of ourselves in a way that is glorifying to the Lord and helpful to others. In order to love others as Christ loves us, we must be spending time with Him ourselves. It is important to remember that we must set aside time to do so.

Kait shares some of her past and trials that she has walked through, only to know Jesus in a sweeter way because of those times. She discusses shame in a very vulnerable way, and shares how we as women can combat the lies the enemy wants us to believe. Kait also talks about this season of singleness and how to be thankful for seasons that are truly in God’s will for us to experience.

Kait, venturing in to the social media world, gives some amazing insight on the pros and cons of social media. We should be using social media as a tool to connect, gain creative insight, and spur one another on. But all too easily it can become a dark place of comparison, body shaming, and a place where vulnerability is not welcome. But Kait shares that “we cannot compare others’ nuggets to the treasure the Lord has stored up for us”. We talk further about taking care of what has been entrusted to us, how we are to feel healthy more than “skinny”, and that we must set boundaries on places that can easily lead to us thinking we are not beautiful, when Christ tells us in His Word how much we are valued. We must never replace truth with the lies the world tells us.

Take a listen today to this amazingly real and genuine talk. I hope it blesses you!

Social Media Links

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Instagram: @kaitness

Instagram: @heartofdating

Facebook: Kaitness1

Youtube: @Kaitness

Twitter: @kaitness


029: Jordan Lee Dooley

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Today on the podcast my guest is Jordan Lee Dooley.  Jordan is married to Matt Dooley, they currently live in Indiana, and have a Goldendoodle pup named Hoosier.

Jordan Lee organically founded a ministry SoulScripts, during her college days at Indiana University. Jordan would doodle scripture on paper and canvas as a way to memorize verses, but didn’t realize that God would take this simple gesture and create a full-time ministry.  As the ministry has grown, today Jordan travels across the country speaking to women on college campuses encouraging them to grow in their faith and step into their purpose. I love a comment Jordan made during our interview, “When we follow Jesus, we get to walk in His glory, but we are also called to walk in the gory stuff.”

In this interview we talk about thriving and what thriving means to her.  Jordan feels right now she is thriving in community, but finds herself not thriving in remembering to see herself the way God sees her; it’s something she continually works on.

Over the past few years as Jordan has spoken to so many women in her generation she  has learned that vulnerability is the key to overcoming brokenness, and you will thrive when you move beyond your brokenness. She is passionate about helping women realize not to let your identity be shaped by mistakes, pain, or circumstances.

A hot topic in our culture today is social media and we talked about the ways social media can be a blessing and a tool or can be a burden.  Social media is a lifestyle choice, a balance and an art, and it takes effort to keep this in check. On this topic, Jordan asks women to pray about whether social media is your default, and if you use this as an escape in your marriage or in your relationships. Take the time to become aware of how this is affecting you and others around; it can be life changing.

Jordan passionately mentors women about how to be real, find self-awareness, share raw emotions, and develop a heart to be in a relationship with Jesus. She wants you to know Jesus is there for you and that He made the way for us to be redeemed and healed by giving His life for us.

Finally, we talk about how to do life on a daily basis when life is so busy.  First, Jordan blocks out time throughout the day to be with the Holy Spirit, she makes people a priority, and finally Jordan is intentional about stewarding the body God gave her.  Focusing on these three things helps bring a sense of balance to her life.

In February 2019, Jordan has a new book coming out and although the title has not been revealed, the book will focus on identifying your brokenness, but not identifying with it so that you can live out your God given purpose. I can’t wait to get a copy when it comes out!

Grab your coffee and enjoy my interview with Jordan Lee Dooley.


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Instagram: @jordanleedooley

Instagram: @soulscripts

Facebook: Jordan Lee Dooley

Youtube: Jordan Lee Dooley

Twitter: @mrsjordandooley


Nicole Zasowski

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Today my guest on the podcast is Nicole Zasowski.  Nicole is married to Jimmy, they have a two year old son and currently live in Connecticut.  Nicole is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist in the state of Connecticut where she has a private practice. She earned her BA in Psychology from Pepperdine University and her Masters of Science in Marriage and Family Therapy from Fuller Theology Seminary School of Psychology. In addition to her practice, Nicole serves as a Restoration Therapist and Trainer several times a year at  The Hideaway Experience an intensive marriage retreat at WinShape Retreat Center in Rome, Georgia.  She cherishes her time with these couples and feels that she has “a front row seat to God’s miracles and in ninety-six hours gets to see the transformation in so many couples lives.”

In our interview Nicole shares with me the challenges she faced as she and her husband made a major move across the country, how she has began removing idols from her life, their struggle with infertility, and how she has learned that when God calls us to do something He will equip us and give us what we need.

As a Marriage and Family Therapist, Nicole talks about two common themes many women face today, loneliness and performance. She understands that many women do not recognize they are in “performance mode” or that they are in pain (loneliness).

Are you in “performance mode” and what do you do when you are in pain?  Nicole has outlined four common coping behaviors many women experience and encourages you to reach out to someone if you have these feelings.

  • Shaming yourself
  • Controlling everything and others around you
  • Blaming others and getting really angry
  • Escaping or numbing out of life with addictive behaviors

In conclusion, Nicole and I talk about the keys to a healthy marriage and relationships.  I love what she says, “Nothing changes if nothing changes and we each must own our own stuff for this to ever happen.”

I hope you gain wisdom from this interview, and find peace in knowing that you can become vulnerable and you don’t need to cover the cracks and scars in your life. Let God’s light into those cracks which then become beacons of light.

Grab your coffee and enjoy my interview with Nicole Zasowski.


Social Media Links

WEBSITE: https://www.nicolezasowski.com/

INSTAGRAM: @nicolezasowksi

FACEBOOK: @nicolezasowskiwriter

TWITTER: @nicolezasowski

PINTEREST: Nicole Zaswoski


027: Roma Downey

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I have the immense pleasure of having Roma Downey join me today on Thriving Beyond Belief!

From humble beginnings in Ireland and losing her mother at a young age to being a coat check girl in New York to being America’s favorite voice of hope in Touched by an Angel, Roma’s story rivals that of the films that she now produces through her production company, Light Workers.

Roma’s definition of thriving is the picture of a life of overflow and abundance. We discuss that this doesn’t necessarily mean that life is always easy or that everything goes our way, but that from the struggle, you can see the blessing. We have fullness of life, and thrive from all of the experiences we have in life.

It was a blessing to speak with her about her new book that just came out on March 6th. Box of Butterflies is about discovering the unexpected blessings all around us. Roma even shares that butterflies have been a beautiful symbol from the Lord all her life that He is faithful, no matter the circumstance.

We also talk on being empty nesters and the journey we take with our children as they grow up. We discuss the amazing opportunity her and her husband have of being able to work together (and how I can relate to that!), and all the adventures that entails. Roma shares her unforgettable time on the set of “Touched by an Angel”, where she gained a mentorship and mother figure that impacted her life forever. She also speaks on what kind of stories her production company, Light Workers, wants to put out for the world. Roma and her husband have a burden to share stories of hope and goodness to a world and industry so filled with the opposite.

My favorite time we had speaking, though, was about our faith. Roma discusses feeling the closest with the Lord in her early morning time with Him in nature. Nature seems to bring her communion with the Lord and perspective on matters in her life. We all must see the importance of communicating our gratitude with the Lord, because when we aren’t in a state of gratefulness, we forget all the Lord has done for us!


Grab some coffee, find a comfy chair, and take a listen as I speak with Roma Downey.

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Kathie Lee Gifford

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I am super excited to have my friend, Kathie Lee Gifford, back on the podcast! She was first on Thriving Beyond Belief last September as we talked about Jesus, her faith, her new book coming out, her hubby Frank and much more!

Kathie Lee is a talented and gifted woman who loves Jesus more than life. She co-hosts with Hoda on NBC”s 10 am hour on The Today Show which bring viewers a fresh, lively show that always gets people talking!

I am so excited to have a conversation about her new book, The Rock, the Road, and the Rabbi: My Journey into the Heart of Scriptural Faith and the Land Where It All Began which just released yesterday, March 6th! We go into depth about this incredible book so you don’t want to miss what she has to say and how going deeper into the study of the Scriptures will help you thrive!

Kathie Lee Gifford has enjoyed a diverse and successful four-decade career as a television host, actress, singer, playwright, songwriter, and author. Though best known for her 15 years on Regis and Kathie Lee (11 Emmy nominations), and currently acting as the three-time Emmy-winning co-host of the fourth hour of the Today Show with Hoda Kotb, Gifford has always pursued projects which inspire and challenge her.

Gifford devotes much of her time to the Association to Benefit Children, which spawned the Cody Foundation. The resources from the Association continue to support Cody House and Cassidy’s Place. Cody House provides a transitional home for infants and children who have severe disabilities and serious medical problems. Named for Gifford’s daughter, Cassidy’s Place is the home of the Association to Benefit Children’s (ABC) national children advocacy.

Here is my interview with my sweet friend, Kathie Lee Gifford

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025: Jason and Lauren Scruggs Kennedy

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I am beyond excited to have three of my favorite people on the podcast today. My guests are my awesome husband Jeff, my sweet daughter Lauren, and my dear son-in-law, Jason.

We spent the weekend together and had such a fun time telling stories and talking about the challenges of relationships and marriage. In this interview, Jason and Lauren talk about adjusting to being newly married, how they find creative ways to stay connected, work through fears, and learn to balance life with friends and family.

We laugh about mistakes Jason and Lauren have experienced the first year of their marriage, had a very lively conversation about ways to keep a sense of humor every day, and shared how important it is to surround yourself with a strong Christian community.

On a fun note, I asked Jason and Lauren who Molly and Sam are? Their answer is completely off the wall and is just hilarious.

I hope you find inspiration in our conversation, I truly enjoyed our time together.

Here’s my interview with Jason & Lauren Kennedy, and my husband Jeff.


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024: Jourdan Johnson

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My guest on the podcast today is Jourdan Johnson.  She is married to Jeff, they have two beautiful kids and recently relocated to Atlanta, GA where she and Jeff serve on the worship team at Passion City Church. In addition, she also serves on  The GROVE Team a monthly gathering for worship, teaching & prayer for the women of Atlanta.  Jourdan and I been friends for over ten years and I know you will be amazed by the twists and turns in her love story.

Jourdan defines the word thrive as “being fully tapped into exactly who God created you to be, and to explore every part of who that person is.”

Jeff and Jourdan have spent most of their adult lives leading worship. But their story began when Jourdan, who was from Florida, began serving as an intern at a church in Texas.  She met Jeff and they began dating long distance. Sadly, after eight months Jeff broke off the relationship, Jourdan was heartbroken. The crazy part about their story is that they dated on and off for the next ten years; traveling and leading worship together. In the span of the next ten years, Jeff broke off the relationship two more times, leaving Jourdan crushed, without a job, a ministry, and was now in her late twenties.

Through this difficult season, Jourdan wrestled with a lot of fears but found God’s strength in realizing who she was and chose not to be defined by this relationship.  Jourdan decided she was going to live life to the fullest. One of the questions she continually asked herself during this time was, “ Am I too much, and can a man really lead me?” Asking that question, Jourdan began to grow her relationship with Jesus and found a peace in Him and realized that He is enough. Period.

God had Jeff and Jourdan on a journey and only through His perfect timing, and at the right time, would their relationship become what it is today.  God wanted them to stretch their faith walk with Him first, before making a lifelong commitment to each other. Today, Jourdan talks to lots of girls about relationships and wants you to know, “If you are going through something in a relationship, God will do whatever He wants to do in His timing.  If you are supposed to be with a person, the Lord will make it abundantly clear and you don’t have to take matters into your own hands. You never want to be anywhere outside of God’s full best for you.”

I hope you enjoy this beautiful love story.

Here’s my interview with Jourdan Johnson.

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023: Jeff and Cheryl Scruggs

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Happy Valentines today! I am so thrilled to interview my wonderful husband Jeff Scruggs, on the podcast today. I hope you enjoy this very special conversation and remember to do something special for the loved one in your life.

Jeff & Cheryl Scruggs are the founders of Hope Matters Marriage Ministries, a 501c3 non-profit Christian non-denominational organization. Their ministry includes sharing God’s heart for marriage and relationships through Biblical marriage counseling, writing, and speaking. They passionately seek to help make marriages whole in God’s power. We train, teach, and disciple believers from the Word of God, to help them understand their true identity in Jesus Christ so that they can live out an abundant marriage. Jeff & Cheryl are intimately familiar with a marriage focused on the principles of the world, the sting, heartbreak, pain from a divorce, and the deep-rooted hope and joy of a fully restored marriage centered on Jesus Christ. It is this unique perspective and experience that they obediently share in a private couple to couple, individual appointments, and with audiences nationwide.

Their writings include the well-known book “I Do Again,” their 30-year story of marriage, betrayal, infidelity, divorce, emotional damage, forgiveness, restoration, trust, and re-marriage. They are co-authors of “Still LoLo” with their daughters Lauren and Brittany. This remarkable and life-changing story has been featured on The Today Show, I Am Second, Focus On The Family, The Village Church Interview with Matt Chandler, Good Morning America, and many more.

Here’s my interview with Jeff Scruggs.

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